C.C. Carter is a writer, poet, performance artist and an Adjunct
Professor of Contemporary Literature. She is a graduate of
Spelman College in Atlanta, GA, and after earning her MA in
Creative Writing from Queens College in New York, she relocated
to Chicago where she burst on the poetry scene. She has won
numerous competitions around the country including: The Fifth
Annual Gwendolyn Brooks Poetry Competition, and The First Annual
Poetry Slam at the Lambda Book Report Literary Conference in
Washington. Her work has appeared in Common Lives, Lesbian
Lives, Blacklines Magazine, and has been featured in
the Bailiwick Arts Center's Pride Series.
C. C. has received numerous awards for her
work including the Black Heart Award from Blacklines
Magazine and Wordrising, "for knowing how to turn on a
crowd and build self-esteem," was nominated Female of the
Year, and is featured in Venus Magazine as one of
Chicago's Leading Ladies.
C. C.'s published works include Letters To My
Lover and Many Phases of Womanhood. Her other artistic
activities include two films: Leaving The Shadows Behind
and Living With Pride: Ruth Ellis @ 100 (CC played
the Women's Component Director of A Real Read's Performance
Ensemble. Since the ensemble's formation she has performed in
all of their productions, both locally and nationally. C.C. also
designed costuming for A Real Read presents A Real Read,
Love Can Sometimes Be..., Home For The Holidays, and the
Milwaukee debut of Comin' Straight At 'Cha. She has
opened for Sharon Bridgforth's Root Wy'mn at the Randolph
Street Art Gallery, played MC in Larry Duckett's We Heard The
Night Outside at the Bailiwick Repertory, at The Lammies
Literary Book Review Awards, and was the opening act for BGM
recording artist Nedra Johnson.
Perhaps C. C.'s most acclaimed work is "Herstory
of my hips." C. C. says: "It was a self-esteem enhancer,
it was never meant to be performed. It's dedicated to women who
are full figured, women who had to hear what I had to hear, and
thought it was bad to be us. There is nothing wrong with having
hips. My grandmother once told me, 'there is nothing wrong with
carrying your history on your back, you have a legacy to
history.' I use my work to touch women, if you happen to be
lesbian or transgender, or whatever, however YOU identify
yourself." Speaking of her philosophy of life, C.C. says:
"Women are God's gift for womanity. God in all her ultimate
wisdom knew that we were precious elements, so she made us to be
her diamond necklaces, ruby bracelets, and onyx
broaches--knowing that we were created to shine and adorn while
here on earth."
She was also in the short film, Kevin's
Room and scripted and adapted for stage Say Jesus and
Come to Me from the novel by Ann Allen-Shockley.
CC Carter released her much-anticipated
collection of poetry– Body Language (Wildheart Press).
with C.C. Carter
(Chicago Outlines -- 2000)
The Rainbow was Enuf: C.C. Carter
by lorraine j. affourtit
It was the best excuse for canceling an interview appointment I
had ever heard. Chicago writer and performer C.C. Carter was
becoming a grandmother on the morning we were scheduled to meet.
Her daughter Betty gave birth to a healthy baby boy on Feb. 8.
When we finally interviewed a few days later, this was the first
topic of conversation:
Lorraine: So how does it feel to be a grandmother?
C.C.: It´s good. You know, since I´ve never had children of my
own, it´s my first baby, too. We´re all taking part.
L.A.:Are you close to your immediate family?
C.C.: Yes, everyone is very close. We have an apartment in our
basement for my mother-in-law [Betty´s grandmother].
L.A.: It must be nice to have family so close by.
C.C.: It is.
L.A.: But you are originally from the East Coast. When did you
decide to move to Chicago?
C.C.: Five years ago. I came to visit. I looked across the room,
and there was Verna [C.C.´s partner].
L.A.: Was that when you met her?
Well, we had been friends platonically for five years, then when
we had both come out of our previous relationships, we said ´Let´s
do it.´ I think we originally met at the old C.K.´s. Then, I´ll
never forget—on June 3, 1995, she called me to congratulate me
on my Master´s. That´s when the decision happened.
L.A.: And what did you think of the Midwest?
C.C.: I had lived here before when I was a girl. I was a
missionary brat—my father is a minister. We moved every five
years or so. But that time I didn't have a car, I didn't really
get a chance to explore the city. I spent my teenage years in
L.A.: How was that?
C.C.: Rough. There was a lot of character-developing
experiences. I´ve always been a smart kid, intellectually, but
socially, and streetwise, I learned a lot.
L.A.: How do you incorporate that history into your work?
C.C.: Well, I deal with personal experience, and often add an
element of fiction. It comes from a principal truth, but I
stretch it to make it play to the audience.
L.A.: Do you have any early literary influences?
C.C.: I've gotta say Toni Morrison. What she can do with one
line Š . I teach contemporary literature, so I have an
appreciation for Joyce and Hemingway. I look for great lines in
reading. I look to be transported. I've always been interested
in poetry, from a very little girl. I remember the first thing I
read—my mother gave me Phenomenal Woman by Maya Angelou. She
made me recite it every night and every morning—it was taped to
L.A.: Obviously your mother was a strong influence.
C.C.: My mother is Š well, back in the day they used to call
them ´brick houses.´ She definitely had a class about her, but
she could move those hips. Growing up and seeing that—you know,
she was a size 18. For me, there were always issues at school,
but when I came home, it was a very nurturing environment.
L.A.: Your most famous piece has got to be ´Hips.´ Every
performance I go to, everyone knows that piece.
C.C.: When I wrote it—that day I had had a really bad day. It
must have been something I had on. Some women don't know what
they do to other women as far as perpetuating stereotypes. I
came home and I was extremely angry. The piece just came out
that way. Then I performed it at BLACKlines' 2nd anniversary.
The reaction shocked me as much as it shocked everyone else to
hear this piece. For me it was just ammunition. I was talking
L.A.: Do you think it's important to take part in changing the
body image values for young girls and women?
C.C.: I read Audre Lorde´s Sister Outsider. That chapter about
the hatred that Black women have for each other. I mean ´What is
it about me that makes you so uncomfortable with yourself?´
That´s what it comes down to. It´s important, yes.
My new collection, Body Language, takes body parts that women
tend to feel badly about and discusses that. My daughter just
had a C-section and the first thing she said was unbelievable.
She said ´I´m sorry I couldn´t have the baby the right way.´ I
said ´Do you really think your baby is going to care that you
have those staples in your belly?´ I just wrote a piece about
L.A.: Have you received an encouraging response from women,
especially young women?
C.C.: Well, the young ones, I have to tell you, they are more
self-confident than we were. Today we see varied body types on
TV and celebrities. The women that come up to me are usually my
age. And they say ´Thank you very much.´
L.A.: Tell me about your new book.
C.C.: We´re taking advanced orders. (laughs). This book is
totally honest and it´s for women. And it´s for men. But it´s
painful. My editor and publisher pulled some things out of me.
It´s new for me, getting to the edit. It´s real—to the core.
I´ve been working on this for five years. I take the woman´s
body completely apart and try to turn it into something good.
LA: What are your expectations for the release of the book?
C.C.: I want to win a Lammy. (laughs). I would be crazy to say
that I didn´t. At the Women of Color Writers´ Conference, there
was a discussion titled ´Give Me Props While I´m Still Alive.´
Nobody should die without knowing that they made a difference.
L.A.: Who made a difference to you?
C.C.: Cheryl Clark, who has since become my mentor. I needed her
to know what she did for an 18-year-old who had no Black lesbian
role models. To walk past a bookstore and see in the window her
book Living as a Lesbian changed my life.
L.A.: A lot of your work is extremely personal. Do you find it
difficult to share work that is so charged or do you gain
strength from its delivery?
C.C.: It´s hard. Like the piece that I did [a re-make of For
Colored Girls Who Never Committed Suicide Because the Rainbow
Was Enuf at Mountain Moving] about domestic abuse. I am a victim
of woman-on-woman domestic violence. But I had always wanted a
connection to it. I never want to perform a piece and say it by
rote. When I get tired, something always happens. I performed
´Hips´ on the Olivia Cruise when I was just about finished with
that piece altogether. Afterwards, there was a woman in a
wheelchair and her lover came up to me saying ´You don´t know
what you did for her. You have to keep performing this poem.´
And I was back there again. You´ve got to keep a little part of
the hurt, so it´s genuine. Or a little part of the joy.
L.A.: In For Colored Girls, you touch on so many sensitive
issues—racism, sexism, heterosexism, domestic abuse, butch/
femme dynamics, etc. Are you interested in confronting the
inter-relationships between these issues?
C.C.: Definitely. I think that´s where the women´s component of
The Real Read [a performative writers´ collective] is going with
our work next time. There are a lot of people interested in the
issues affecting the colored women´s community. Affecting all
L.A.: What would you most like to do with your work, be it
writing, performing, actingŠ?
C.C.: Just to point out the differences, but to get to the core
of how we are all the same. If you are domestically abused,
whatever race you are, it´s the same pain. If I´m in love, it´s
not a Black love, it´s human love. I want my work to cross all
cultures and all genders. I have an obligation to see myself as
who I am. I write from the perspective of a woman who is of
color and who happens to be a lesbian. But it doesn´t have to
have mono meaning. Everyone should be able to see it. That´s
what I teach my students. Everything you read, whether it is a
science book or a novel, make it personal first. Once you make
that connection, there´s nothing you can read that you can´t
L.A.: You are an adjunct instructor?
C.C.: Yes, I teach at South Suburban College. My students are
everyone from a 16-year-old who graduated high school early to
housewives that are going back to get their degree. They teach
me something new every day. I´ve read some of the most horrific
and some of the most brave writings.
L.A.: Would you say then that writing was your first love?
C.C.: It´s my only love. Acting is a hobby. Writing is my life.
Everything else is coincidental.
L.A.: Will you keep collaborating with the artists you´ve been
working with, such as the ´Poetic Provocateurs?´
C.C.: The Poetic Provocateurs was RoiAnn Phillips´ dream. We had
all kinds of ethnic and cultural areas covered when we performed
together, but we all could say ´This piece hurts, but we are
going to do it anyway.´ We will do it again. Star Gaze wants us
to perform. There´s some talk of making it professional. Taking
it on the road. (laugh)
L.A.: And then perhaps you become a mentor for some young artist
looking for a role model.
C.C.: Well, I don´t have that to offer yet. But give me five
years, and you just wait. Had you asked me five years ago, I
would never have told you I´d be where I am. But that´s another
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